Valkyrie Knights

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Welcome mortal, to the realm of the great Valkyrie Knights! You will find amongst our ranks only the finest adventurers ever to set foot on Cradle. Stay a while, and bask in our glory.


+3
Schwarze
SweetDoug
Rajesh
7 posters

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Poll

    Will you get involved?

    [ 5 ]
    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_left38%¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_right [38%] 
    [ 2 ]
    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_left15%¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_right [15%] 
    [ 6 ]
    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_left46%¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Bar_right [46%] 

    Total Votes: 13
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:14 pm

    Introducing the Major Manner Movement, this involves 3 things to make the guild neat and tidy Very Happy
    1) When someone logs on say Hello to them. This is the same when someone joins the guild. If you can join them in there area and say hello to them up close
    2) When you are logging off say bye to everyone. And everyone else say good night to them or something. It makes them feel a little better that they are noticed
    3) Finally go up to someone and give them a salute to introduce them. Its always nice

    From Rajesh & Whitelancer


    Last edited by Rajesh on Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:17 pm; edited 6 times in total
    SweetDoug
    SweetDoug


    Posts : 6
    Join date : 2011-12-02
    Age : 39
    Location : Brazil

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  SweetDoug Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:05 pm

    I couldn't agree more.. I usually do this..

    White already said it b4 but few ppl heard =P
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Few?!?

    Post  Rajesh Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:06 pm

    Well about 10 people heard. And 3-7 people are already committed to it. We want more. As a lot of you already know Whitelancer is a bit focused on Lockdown specialists Very Happy And now it seems he's going to manners Very Happy Don't know if its true, but try to help
    Schwarze
    Schwarze


    Posts : 87
    Join date : 2011-09-26
    Age : 30
    Location : Quebec, Canada

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Schwarze Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:23 pm

    Honestly, do not want. I think this is a poor idea as active and enforced legislation.
    Sure, courtesy is nice, but it's meaningless if it's forced. If it's just a mechanical reaction to someone logging in or off, then there's no meaning.
    Furthermore, I feel that imposing adherence to these terms is a bit disrespectful regarding a variety of different people with a variety of different personality traits.
    For example, say you're a quiet type, or a shy one, you may not want to actually speak in guild chat. That's speaking from experience, and had Whitelancer not been so determined in his efforts to recruit me I'd be acting like it still.
    There's also an issue of conflicts within the guild. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking we all get along perfectly. It's only human that some if not all of us have one or two people who just get on our nerves. Chances are that you'd only build up resentment in having to act with courtesy regarding these people, instead of just ignoring them.
    TL;DR
    Kindness of heart cannot be forced. It's a simple matter of "Respect" as already mentionned in the CoC. To each his own way of following it.
    Axirts
    Axirts


    Posts : 40
    Join date : 2011-09-26
    Age : 31
    Location : California, US

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Axirts Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:39 pm

    I'm not sure if such requirements are really the right way to go. Personally I have always had a great experience with VK (though it's the only guild I've been in so I'm a little bias.) I mean sure, if someone in the guild recently helped you or if you do a lot with someone or a group it's a natural reaction most of us have. There are however 90+ VKs and people are constantly logging in and out.

    The issues I see occurring in addition to what Schwarze mentioned would be:
    1. If you're in a run (any not just SL)
    ex) If you're in a group for SL and in the middle of a fight don't you dare stop to say hi to me when I log on. It's in a way rude to your team.

    2. Chat box isn't what people always stare at
    ex) I often go to Haven 1 just to see what people are trying to sell. There are times when the chat gets bumped so fast that I miss quite a few things. It's completely unintentional however I would be a little upset if I got in trouble because of that.

    3. Sometimes people are in a hurry.
    ex) During the school week I usually get on for like 10 min right before I leave my house just to check ce prices, the AH, an see who's on. Usually I do want to talk to someone but sometimes it's more of just getting on to make use of the few minutes I have. Byes surprisingly take a while because there's the back and forth and unmentioned decision of who's going to say it last (at least I feel that way because I have a habit of never hanging up first)

    So yah, it's nice to say hi, welcome, good morning, or whatever else that may be applicable but for every person by every person every time is a little excessive. The switching Havens part I, and most VKs, do when not busy already anyways.

    What it seems like you want, and I really like the idea, is more activity inside the guild. Aside from runs, OOO hasn't really given us much to work with. What we need is not mandatory hellos but more activities specific to guilds. That is not really something we as players are in control of. I'd like to see more stuff added to guildhalls for example.

    SweetDoug
    SweetDoug


    Posts : 6
    Join date : 2011-12-02
    Age : 39
    Location : Brazil

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  SweetDoug Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:01 am

    I understand those issues.. And I agree as well..

    Well let's say if we CAN let's just be more polite, and say greetings as usual as u can.. So that manners grew on the others, or not. But everything we can do about it, just do it.

    Well by my side, count me in!

    One of the reasons I left my other guild to join VK is 'cause I hate talking in Portuguese anyway..
    Aarcanewizard
    Aarcanewizard
    Admin


    Posts : 68
    Join date : 2011-09-27
    Age : 61
    Location : Mid Michigan, USA

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Interesting thoughts.

    Post  Aarcanewizard Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:41 am

    As one of the GM's of the finest Guilds in Spiral Knights, I will say that I find it easy to greet the Guild mates as I come on and log off. Maybe it's because I'm older and that's just how I was brought up. I also feel that as a GM it's my job and also falls into the job description of the officers as well.

    I wasn't in on the discussion when Whitelancer made any formal request to greet or partake in idle chit-chat as he all ready knows my opinion on the matter. What I can say is that I cannot fight and also greet everyone. There are points to be taken on both sides and in short I recommend that , "If you can greet please do and if you are AFK, doing battle, or otherwise engaged, you won't face reprimand if you do not".

    It's also understood that some times random disconnects do happen and also a rapid exit may be needed at times. And then there are you shy types that hardly ever get any lime lite, but I can understand that as well. I think that rather than focus on the amount of time we're spending in idle chatter, I'd much rather see a positive/polite tone taken in what is being said when you do decide to join the conversation. As of late, I can say that there have been very few problems now that Raj and Daclub have been seperated... the rest of you are doing great.

    Twisted Evil (If you weren't, I'd definitely let you know...lol) Twisted Evil

    Aarcane
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:25 pm

    Axirts wrote:I'm not sure if such requirements are really the right way to go. Personally I have always had a great experience with VK (though it's the only guild I've been in so I'm a little bias.) I mean sure, if someone in the guild recently helped you or if you do a lot with someone or a group it's a natural reaction most of us have. There are however 90+ VKs and people are constantly logging in and out.

    The issues I see occurring in addition to what Schwarze mentioned would be:
    1. If you're in a run (any not just SL)
    ex) If you're in a group for SL and in the middle of a fight don't you dare stop to say hi to me when I log on. It's in a way rude to your team.

    2. Chat box isn't what people always stare at
    ex) I often go to Haven 1 just to see what people are trying to sell. There are times when the chat gets bumped so fast that I miss quite a few things. It's completely unintentional however I would be a little upset if I got in trouble because of that.

    3. Sometimes people are in a hurry.
    ex) During the school week I usually get on for like 10 min right before I leave my house just to check ce prices, the AH, an see who's on. Usually I do want to talk to someone but sometimes it's more of just getting on to make use of the few minutes I have. Byes surprisingly take a while because there's the back and forth and unmentioned decision of who's going to say it last (at least I feel that way because I have a habit of never hanging up first)

    So yah, it's nice to say hi, welcome, good morning, or whatever else that may be applicable but for every person by every person every time is a little excessive. The switching Havens part I, and most VKs, do when not busy already anyways.

    What it seems like you want, and I really like the idea, is more activity inside the guild. Aside from runs, OOO hasn't really given us much to work with. What we need is not mandatory hellos but more activities specific to guilds. That is not really something we as players are in control of. I'd like to see more stuff added to guildhalls for example.


    Well this is kinda true. But its always nice isn't it?!? There's always time to check the log for someone to log on. Especially in a Shadow lair you know you die once in a while and then you can chat a bit. If your in
    a hurry. WTF cant you type 2 god damn words "Good bye" ??? There's always time Sad

    Last night when I said Good bye to test this out a total of 3 people said bye to me. And way more weren't doing runs. Just laying in Haven!
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:25 pm

    Rajesh wrote:
    Axirts wrote:I'm not sure if such requirements are really the right way to go. Personally I have always had a great experience with VK (though it's the only guild I've been in so I'm a little bias.) I mean sure, if someone in the guild recently helped you or if you do a lot with someone or a group it's a natural reaction most of us have. There are however 90+ VKs and people are constantly logging in and out.

    The issues I see occurring in addition to what Schwarze mentioned would be:
    1. If you're in a run (any not just SL)
    ex) If you're in a group for SL and in the middle of a fight don't you dare stop to say hi to me when I log on. It's in a way rude to your team.

    2. Chat box isn't what people always stare at
    ex) I often go to Haven 1 just to see what people are trying to sell. There are times when the chat gets bumped so fast that I miss quite a few things. It's completely unintentional however I would be a little upset if I got in trouble because of that.

    3. Sometimes people are in a hurry.
    ex) During the school week I usually get on for like 10 min right before I leave my house just to check ce prices, the AH, an see who's on. Usually I do want to talk to someone but sometimes it's more of just getting on to make use of the few minutes I have. Byes surprisingly take a while because there's the back and forth and unmentioned decision of who's going to say it last (at least I feel that way because I have a habit of never hanging up first)

    So yah, it's nice to say hi, welcome, good morning, or whatever else that may be applicable but for every person by every person every time is a little excessive. The switching Havens part I, and most VKs, do when not busy already anyways.

    What it seems like you want, and I really like the idea, is more activity inside the guild. Aside from runs, OOO hasn't really given us much to work with. What we need is not mandatory hellos but more activities specific to guilds. That is not really something we as players are in control of. I'd like to see more stuff added to guildhalls for example.


    Well this is kinda true. But its always nice isn't it?!? There's always time to check the log for someone to log on. Especially in a Shadow lair you know you die once in a while and then you can chat a bit. If your in
    a hurry. WTF cant you type 2 god damn words "Good bye" ??? There's always time Sad

    Last night when I said Good bye to test this out a total of 3 people said bye to me. And way more weren't doing runs. Just laying in Haven!

    A quote in a quote to extend this importance
    Cleverpun
    Cleverpun


    Posts : 39
    Join date : 2011-10-26
    Age : 34

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Cleverpun Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:20 pm

    I agree with what Schwarze and Axirts have already said. I certainly say hello to people when they say hello, but the chat feed moves quick and you don't always see everything that passes by (especially when you're always in trade chat like I am P:) I have no problem with encouraging politeness, but any formal rules are probably not going to be very successful.

    Personally, I like the level of manners we have now; everyone is amiable and I've never had any VK be rude to me yet Very Happy
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:41 pm

    They may not be rude but its not mannerful either. As i notice only the Masters, Officers and veterans get noticed Sad
    BrideOfVanaduke
    BrideOfVanaduke


    Posts : 71
    Join date : 2011-10-12

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  BrideOfVanaduke Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:32 pm

    Not really. They get noticed mostly because they are the most active and more people know them.
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:56 pm

    Fairly true, but shouldnt even the newest members receive recognition?!? You know "Sexypower" She left because she wasnt noticed and didnt make many friends. This might happen again and again. D: D: Sad Sad
    BrideOfVanaduke
    BrideOfVanaduke


    Posts : 71
    Join date : 2011-10-12

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  BrideOfVanaduke Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:46 pm

    Or did she leave because she couldnt make any new friends? Smile These are two different things.
    Axirts
    Axirts


    Posts : 40
    Join date : 2011-09-26
    Age : 31
    Location : California, US

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Axirts Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:27 pm

    Rajesh wrote:Well this is kinda true. But its always nice isn't it?!? There's always time to check the log for someone to log on. Especially in a Shadow lair you know you die once in a while and then you can chat a bit. If your in
    a hurry. WTF cant you type 2 god damn words "Good bye" ??? There's always time Sad

    Last night when I said Good bye to test this out a total of 3 people said bye to me. And way more weren't doing runs. Just laying in Haven!

    So I found what's usually the case when people are just hanging out in Haven is that they are afk or on other things as well. I usually have some background programs running that I frequently check. Skype, my school website, doing hw, music etc. I'm not trying to give people an excuse, it just seems like there are so many things that could prevent someone from saying bye that it's difficult to "enforce being nice"

    And on the Good bye before logging out I usually do say it. A lot of times however if the guildchat hasn't been used by anyone, and it seems a little awkward.

    On Sexypower, I find that when people join it's initially up to them to be active. It's not like we can force them into groups. All the VK members that have been playing for a while know to make use of the guild. If A is doing a vana run and B is trying to get tokens, B will most likely ask if they can join. Then once A and the other people know that B is interested in it, B will be invited to a lot more runs. If B however waits for an invitation, it may take a while because if another person is needed and A and the rest of the guild don't know that B wants to go they will probably end up inviting other guild mates or friends they know will join.

    There are these forums to introduce yourself and get to know people and there's even an "Introduce yourself" thread. It seems however that most people who join, like yourself, are very outgoing and instantly find groups. The only thing I can think of is have a sticky thread where new members have to post at least once upon joining but I don't like "have to, must, required" unless it's on something like the CoC.
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:16 pm

    :/ I am summing out something I need to say. Please give me your reactions with a yes or a no please.
    I think that I am somewhat not a "High enough rank" to get a concept out into the public, and make it happen.

    Is this true or false.
    Aarcanewizard
    Aarcanewizard
    Admin


    Posts : 68
    Join date : 2011-09-27
    Age : 61
    Location : Mid Michigan, USA

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Rank?

    Post  Aarcanewizard Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:15 am

    Rajesh wrote::/ I am summing out something I need to say. Please give me your reactions with a yes or a no please.
    I think that I am somewhat not a "High enough rank" to get a concept out into the public, and make it happen.

    Is this true or false.


    Sorry Raj. Your rank has nothing to do with whether your idea takes root. What will make or break an idea is the validity of the idea being presented regardless of the rank of the person that submits it.

    Aarcane
    Aarcanewizard
    Aarcanewizard
    Admin


    Posts : 68
    Join date : 2011-09-27
    Age : 61
    Location : Mid Michigan, USA

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Make or break. (some will and some won't)

    Post  Aarcanewizard Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:23 am

    Rajesh wrote:Fairly true, but shouldnt even the newest members receive recognition?!? You know "Sexypower" She left because she wasnt noticed and didnt make many friends. This might happen again and again. D: D: Sad Sad

    I have her on my friends list still as I did question why she left. She did say she felt she wasn't making friends fast enough but also said she would be back when she got to be a more skilled player. I told her she didn't give it enough time and that she didn't need to be an expert player as long as she did her best. She is still my friend and I expect her return when she has more confidence in her skills.

    Aarcane
    Axirts
    Axirts


    Posts : 40
    Join date : 2011-09-26
    Age : 31
    Location : California, US

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Axirts Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:46 am

    Rajesh wrote::/ I am summing out something I need to say. Please give me your reactions with a yes or a no please.
    I think that I am somewhat not a "High enough rank" to get a concept out into the public, and make it happen.

    Is this true or false.

    I think I can speak for a majority of VK here when I say that this is exactly what the forums are for and it's definitely not being ignored. You saw something that you wanted changed a bit and posted it here. You didn't accuse anyone of not having manners and did it in a way that people could support or discuss their issues on the matter without feeling like being rude. Personally, I feel that White and Aarcane would just as seriously listen to a comment or concern from any recruit (or even non guild member) as they would an officer. I don't know a single VK that is not open to a fresh look at things.
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Rajesh Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:44 pm

    Aarcanewizard wrote:
    Rajesh wrote::/ I am summing out something I need to say. Please give me your reactions with a yes or a no please.
    I think that I am somewhat not a "High enough rank" to get a concept out into the public, and make it happen.

    Is this true or false.


    Sorry Raj. Your rank has nothing to do with whether your idea takes root. What will make or break an idea is the validity of the idea being presented regardless of the rank of the person that submits it.

    Aarcane

    Well thanks Aarcane for honesty. But i'm still fearing this. Making this MMM is hard and putting into action I am really trying hard. I don't know whether I should just drop it and leave it to White to take care of Sad
    |
    |
    |
    (After edit)
    The MM is going well, I hope we can continue on. Remember to vote
    Rajesh
    Rajesh


    Posts : 142
    Join date : 2011-12-10
    Age : 25
    Location : London

    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty More votes

    Post  Rajesh Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:15 pm

    Can we get some more votes into this topic? We have lots of replies and views but not votes :/ What a Face

    Sponsored content


    ¬The Major Manner Movement¬ Empty Re: ¬The Major Manner Movement¬

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri Mar 29, 2024 12:20 am